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Hot Flashes, Cold Truths

Leanna DeBellevue Season 1 Episode 3

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Three friends turn sweaty studio outtakes into an honest guide to perimenopause, brain fog, sleep loss, and the long road to the right hormone care. We share personal missteps, wins, and how partners can support the messy middle without losing the plot.

• hot flashes, brain fog, sleeplessness, irritability
• myths from our mothers’ generation and silence
• hysterectomy stories and the wrong quick fixes
• why full blood work beats guesswork
• estrogen, progesterone, testosterone balance matters
• thyroid overlap and Hashimoto’s considerations
• advocating for yourself and switching doctors
• intimacy shifts and marriage under pressure
• getting partners tested and aligned
• practical tips: sleep, cooling, symptom logs, patches

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Outtakes Spark Today’s Topic

Leanna

Welcome back. I have I'm gonna share some outtakes that we found in the editing room, and that's going to kind of lead us into today's topic. So I'm gonna play this. I hope everyone can hear it, but we'll see.

Adrianne

It's hot in here. It is hot in here. I also feel like we need a fan in here. Is anyone else sweating? Group chat goes live. I got this. I'm ready. We're sweating. There you go.

Leanna

It's hot. Okay, so as we are going through all the different episodes, I realized in our editing a recurring theme is it's

Heat, Hot Flashes, And Menopause

Leanna

hot. But I'm finding that no one else thinks it's hot. And this whole menopause thing, no one warned you about. I've had so many conversations in the last few weeks from people saying, Did you know this happens? Did you know? Like, and I think I would be completely lost and thinking that I'd lost my mind if it hadn't been for you two. Because menopause is not just the obvious. No, no, it's brain fog and sleeplessness and getting up to pee multiple times in the night and and having tweezers with you wherever you go. Yes. Right? Yeah. Oh, and that's a whole yeah, little razors. That also means the outcuts. We're putting together an outcut for or an outtake for one of our episodes. That'll be quite funny, and I'm sure is gonna need some explanation. Because we have a lot of inside jokes.

Kerri Ann

Well, you're the baby of the group, so you're so much. Well, you're the last to go into this fantastic journey of Yes. Yes.

Leanna

The next stage of And I just remember when I was younger hearing people call it the change, right? Oh, she must be going through that change. And I was like, okay. Like I didn't realize. Yeah.

Mothers, Myths, And Silent Suffering

Kerri Ann

I was terrible to my mom. Really? I was in college, I was terrible. I literally went to my dad and said, I think mommy's going freaking crazy. Really? Yes. Because she went in very early, and I feel horrible about it now. And I've told her that I feel horrible about it. And I think she finds some internal happiness whenever I have complained about it. Yeah. Because she's like, you guys have so much more at your disposal than we did. Absolutely. But she was in her 40s early, and I remember just like her, like she wasn't ever snappy, and just we went on a vacation together, and I was like, What happened to her?

Leanna

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

And just a lot of like the heat and the just all of the things that she was going through. I literally was like, Who came and got my wonderful mommy and replaced her with this human?

Adrianne

I was gonna say my mom was the same that she she went so crazy. She literally thought that she was like, she didn't want to tell anyone because she thought someone might admit her to a hospital. Really? I was in high school and she and it's the same. I I mean like she just had lost her mind. I know, and it's like you feel bad later. Yeah, I and I wasn't nice. I would be like, What is wrong with you? Yeah. And that's what I feel like she was like, I didn't want to tell anyone because I didn't know, like she lot literally thought she was losing her mind. Wow. And I feel like that generation didn't talk about hormones. And anytime I'd say something as I got older, you know, my mom would be like, Oh yeah, that happened to me. Oh, and I'm like, Oh, really? You don't think these are things like you would share?

Kerri Ann

Well, during that time too, they were giving some medications to help with it, and then they would say the medic like they would get on it. I remember them and then they would take them off, and then they would be twice as bad shit.

Adrianne

Yeah, they'd have my mom a lot because she was young because our whole family went into menopause or had hysterectomies all in our 30s. Oh, yeah. And so she was young and the same. The doctors would give her medication and then they'd be like, oh no, it's not safe now, and then take her off again. So she was on some crazy roller coaster. So yeah, I mean, at the time, I'm like, I never want to go through menopause like that.

Kerri Ann

Well, and I do remember my dad sitting out back having drinks a lot by himself. And I have seen my husband do that in the past often. Like, I'm gonna do something away from

Hysterectomies And The Hormone Rollercoaster

Kerri Ann

you.

Adrianne

Yeah. Well, and I think when I went through started going through it, I had had a hysterectomy in my 30s. Yeah. And the doctor tried to save, you know, ovaries and stuff, and he was like, I'm gonna try to make it so you don't have to have hormone meds. I didn't even know what that meant. I mean, honestly, when I had hysterectomy, I thought it was an in and out patient and I would be like back to work in two days. I had no idea. I just went into everything so naive. But when at one point I remember going to a doctor and because I was driving, and everyone, I had like plotted the like I just wanted to, everyone, I wanted to kill them. Like everyone annoyed me so much. And I went to the doctor, I'm like, something is wrong with me because literally I want to kill everybody. Like everyone is annoying me.

Kerri Ann

But I do feel like we were our generation has been a little bit of crash test dummies with all that other stuff. Because I remember you and I talking about the other part was, well, you're going through this, let's just pump you full of testosterone. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So then I remember I had to leave Costco two days after I got my pellets. Cause I'm like, oh my God, what is wrong with me right now? I have to leave my time to attack somebody in this Costco. But it does, and and I rem I remember saying, Oh my, I and nothing again, I love men. I love my husband, I love men, but I remember feeling like I know what it feels like to be a man because I didn't care about anything else, nothing bothered me, and one thing was on my mind all the time, and it was too much testosterone, but that was what they were like. Okay, you're going through menopause, here you go. Let's just stick some pellets in you and you're gonna feel normal again. And that is not the case.

Misdiagnosis And Chasing Antidepressants

Adrianne

Yeah. And I felt too, I went to four different doctors because the first one I went to saying, like, hey, I think I'm losing it. Something is happening. And they were like, here, I'm gonna give you these antidepressants. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you've not done any blood work on me. I'm telling you I'm not depressed. I'm telling you there's something physically going on right now that this is not my personality. And so I left that place and then I went to another doctor and then another. And I mean, I feel like it took me five years before we finally, I finally got it all. It took me 10 years from the hysterectomy to finally have it all under control. But had I known it all then, I probably could have fixed it sooner. But I felt like even then, years ago, they just thought they were giving women a bunch of antidepressants, not thinking, okay, no, you need estrogen, you need testosterone, you need to digest all of it. There's a whole mix that you need. But I do think we talk about it more and joke around about it more. Yeah. And then all of a sudden someone will say something, then you're like, oh, wait a minute, that's me. How did you what are you doing? What are you taking?

Kerri Ann

But it's not a perfect, it's not a perfect science, it's individual to each person. Yeah. So that's the other thing. You know, like everybody is completely different. But I agree. I think the first thing that comes up is that you just you feel off.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

And you feel foggy, you're exhausted, you know. And obviously, if you have someone in your life that you love that you're having intimacy with, then that all s goes into a whole tailspin of insanity. Yeah. And so, yeah, you don't even get to do that. But that's, I mean, yeah, it's unique to each person, but it does. It makes you feel like you're kind of losing it a little bit. And it's something everybody has to talk about.

Adrianne

And why do you think women don't talk about it? Is I I mean, I feel like we're all pretty open, but we still hear people who are like, Bob, did you know this? Why do you think women don't just ask

What No One Told Us About Symptoms

Adrianne

the questions to be like, hey, I really feel like I'm losing my mind or I can't think and openly ask that?

Leanna

I don't think people understand what the symptoms are. I just was always told, like, menopause means you don't have your period anymore and you have hot flashes. Those two things, right? I also had a hysterectomy. I was 40. Same thing. We're gonna keep your ovaries. You hopefully you don't have to go on hormones. I didn't realize it was brain fog and it's your eyesight, and it is the irritability. It's so many different things that you don't know. I found out the other day I had frozen shoulder. That's a something that happens, it's a it's a symptom of, right? So I think we just don't know what the symptoms are enough to ask. And when you do have someone you love, right, that all of a sudden intimacy is changed. That's really not something you're gonna go chit-chat with everybody about. Right.

Kerri Ann

I mean, like I have Hashimoto's, and so I've always had a thyroid issue since I had Caden. And the your hormones and the change impact your thyroid, and your thyroid impacts so much.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

So I was going to the doctor and they were going through the whole process of dealing with my thyroid, but nobody, nobody at that time was at looking at my hormones, the thyroid, like all of it together.

Leanna

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

And what does that do? So it wasn't until way, way later that, you know, when you start talking to people, you're like, okay, I'm gonna go to a hormone doctor, yeah, or I'm gonna go to a thyroid specialist, and they're gonna start pulling this apart because it all impacts everything.

Leanna

Yeah. And I think unfortunately, I lost my mom when I was 25. So I'm 25 with two kids. I the last thing on my mind is asking what happens in 25 years or 20 years or anything like that. And I just didn't know who to ask. I think brain fog, like for me, was so bad. I would literally be in the middle of a sentence as I'm talking and think, I have no idea what I'm talking about. Like, what is happening? And I'm like trying to, or I'm listening to someone and I'm listening to the words, and then they stop and I know it's my turn to respond, but I have no idea what they just said,

Thyroid, Hashimoto’s, And Overlap

Leanna

right? So I'm hoping that like a smile and a nod is gonna cut it, right? And it's not until we had those conversations, like I could have easily explained that away. I'm a busy mom, you know, I've got kids, or we've got a business, you know, I'm newly married, whatever. Like just the normal stress of life, it was really easy to kind of justify some of those symptoms, not really thinking to look much deeper. Yeah. Right.

Adrianne

Yeah. And I think on the brain fog, that one, because no one really talked about the brain fog. Yeah. I at a at one point was like, I need to go see a neurologist. Like our family has a history of you know, Alzheimer's and all. I literally was like, could I start? What's the age that it starts at? And I really started to freak out, you know, thinking, Am I losing my mind? Is this starting this young? Because it didn't make any sense that I couldn't function or I couldn't think through normal sentences. Yeah. That it really freaked me out. That had no idea that had anything to do with menopause. And I was like, I have a brain injury, you know. I mean, well, I did get run over by a car and I was little. So I'm like, I have a brain injury. And I'm like, does that happen now? And I'm gonna lose my mind by the time I'm 50. Like, I was that probably freaked me out more than anything when it came to the hormones. I had no idea.

Leanna

Yeah. No, and it was, I don't even remember. I think you would simply just said, I am gonna go see my hormone doctor. And I was like, for what? Like, and I just did it, no. Last week I got two text messages from someone saying, Hey, did you know that this happens? Like they genuinely had no idea, right? Or another friend and I were talking, and she, I know she's gonna be listening. I hope she's not mad at me for sharing. I'm not

Brain Fog Or Something Worse?

Leanna

gonna share her name, but she said she started doing crossword puzzles because she thought she was getting Alzheimer's. She was like, I started doing brain games. Like, and I was like, No, I think that's just what it's everything. It's everything that's keeps us as women like functioning at the level that we are. All that stuff just goes away.

Kerri Ann

Well, and I was very surprised because again, I'll go back to the testosterone thing. That was what we were all told is that, you know, like the common thing was you're going through menopause, testosterone is the answer. And realizing that no, you know, that that's a part of it, but we're still women, and estrogen potentially is way more important and progesterone, and I mean, like you add the fact that during menopause, you're not sleeping. No, I mean, it like I was up every hour, covers off, covers on, literally sleepwalking to turn down the air conditioning, and my husband would be like ice cold. Like, what has happened here? You like you're not sleeping through the night. So then add that on to there's just so much that, and and again, you know, throwing at it all the time that testosterone is the answer.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

So it's so important to be able to go to somebody that you trust that's looking at everything.

Leanna

That's what I was gonna say. I I think it's a honestly, I I appreciate we have great general doctors and things like that, but I think they're in charge of taking care of so much, right? I think the game changer for me was going to your doctor that a hormone specialist that's passionate about it. I remember her sitting down with me and I listed off all these symptoms because she, you know, I said, you know, I think maybe. And she goes, Well, tell me the symptoms. And so I started telling her, she was like, Now tell me all the things that you're dealing with that you don't think are related. And it was, it was I can't sleep at night. My brain is racing, I can't, and she was like, Every single thing that you mentioned is this. Yeah. And then when I got my labs back, she was like, Okay, this is why.

Testosterone Isn’t A Silver Bullet

Leanna

And it's not just testosterone, right? I'm not trying to be the man of my family. I'm not trying to shave my face every day. Like that that that role is taken in our family. But so it was a combination of the testosterone, the progesterone, and the estrogen and figuring out what that looks like, right? Here's what the range is, but what feels good for you? Like you're within normal range, but you still don't feel great. Okay, let's increase it. Or you're within normal range, but you you know, you're sleeping too much. Okay, let's change it.

Kerri Ann

And really finding someone that's well, and also knowing that everybody's trajectory of this is different.

Leanna

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

Some people go through it in a very short time period. Some people, I was going through it for about 12 years.

Leanna

Wow.

Kerri Ann

From perimenopause and that time all the way through. I don't know if my thyroid had something to do with that. That's what they say. But I also know that there's a lot of women that just go through it for a very long time. Well, I think you go through it too.

Adrianne

I feel like I went through a long time finding the right process, is I had to learn to be to to speak up for myself and be like, okay, this doctor is giving me these things, but I'm telling her I'm not feeling this. Or like I was one time given so much testosterone, my voice was changing. Like it got a little crazy. And I was like, something's wrong. And then I went to a different doctor, and she's like, You are taking testosterone of a male bodybuilder. And I was like, What? You're like, What? I was like, Hello? You know, and Terry, and Terry had made comments. He's like, There can only be one of us. Like, we are battling in this house. And I'm like, I don't even know why we're battling because I don't want that role. But it was, you know, I had so I had changed doctors numerous times. I tried the pellets, you know. I tried the creams. I think that too. There's so many options of finding out, like, I'm not a pellet person, you know, and it's finding what works for you. And then from there, you can start to feel normal again. But I think it's speaking up too. And and I will agree, I feel like you know, the hormone place we all go to that seeing that blood work all the time and checking your thyroid and checking everything that it because even for me, I've always passed every thyroid test. And then lately

Finding A Specialist And Personalized Care

Adrianne

she's like, Hey, you don't need thyroid medicine, but we're gonna do a thyroid support because some it keeps showing off. And then my memory was feeling better, you know, just with and and I loved them too because they're like, Hey, you can get this on Amazon. And I'm like, rock on that you, you know, don't want me to buy. Yeah, you know, somewhere supplement.

Kerri Ann

We're talking all about us and how it impacts women. Oh, yes. So what about the lovely little boys on the other side of all of us insane people? Because that's another common thread. When we talk to our friends and when we're all talking about this hormone thing, whether we're at the beginning, in the middle, or coming on the end of it, but still needing support because we we really, even after menopause, you still need all the support of hormones, like it's a whole different world. Like we are like scientists of trying to just get through life. But there are people on the other side of this insanity that are having to deal with all of us. And I know a lot of people, it's impacted marriages for sure. Great.

Adrianne

Well, they I was uh reading one time that they were talking about that a lot of divorces happen when women reach middle age, and I really think a lot of that probably has to do with hormones because you do start thinking crazy and you start thinking things, and and so I think, you know, in our spouses, I mean, bless Terry, the amount of years we've been together and he's been through so much. I didn't know what normal women feel like until this last year. I mean, it has been fun, but I mean I never because I had endometriosis and you know, all through my 20s, then I had the hysterectomy in my 30s, like I didn't know what it like what normal women feel like.

Kerri Ann

Well, and you know, I will tell like I love my husband so much, and in the middle of all the craziness, you get to a space where you feel so awful, yeah, and you just are needing like a lifeline to feel better. Yeah, and being in your mid-50s and going through all of this, like you know those movies where it's like a 56-year-old

Long Journeys Through Perimenopause

Kerri Ann

man leaves his wife and goes to a 20-year-old woman. I'm like, I understand then now. I understand why they do that. Because we're fucking crazy. Yeah. And you know what? They're they're kind of in there, especially because they're going to the same hormone doctors that we are. Yes. And they're helping themselves live their best lives, which for them is a lot easier.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

And it isn't for us. And it's like, how do we get on the same page? And how do they that's not easy for them to be on the other side of this.

Adrianne

No, but I will say too, uh, you know, throwing our husbands out there, is that not all husbands are open also to making sure their hormones are on par as they get older. Because I think sometimes there's a lot of like male ego in that, and oh, I don't need this or that, not realizing just like we're going through stages, they are going through stages. And I feel like when you both are spot on on feeling good, yeah, then then it just works. Right. You know, like the, you know, and then you've made up for the years that you were horrible.

Kerri Ann

You mean that two weeks as Leanna and I couldn't get a hold of you? I know.

Leanna

Hello, hello.

Kerri Ann

What's happening?

Leanna

No, but I I think I mean that's exactly it. At some point, first of all, I made Jeff an appointment without even I was like, look, if I'm doing this, you're doing this. I think because I was everything was balanced out and he was very tired. You were like, again, like, okay, you know. But that being said, he got his tested and he does feel like the best version of himself. And you're a hundred percent when we Both feel great, that

Speaking Up And Switching Doctors

Leanna

not only just in the intimacy department, but just in general. Feeling better.

Kerri Ann

I know it was like my husband is go, go, go, like all the time. He is eyes open, five o'clock in the morning, and just does his day. And when I saw him being tired, yeah, like taking naps in the middle of the afternoon between jobs just because he was exhausted, I'm like, this isn't just being exhausted. And he knew that too. You know, because whatever they're going, you know, it's like their bodies are aging too. But he felt so much better just addressing that so he could feel good again.

Leanna

And I think as much as women communicate, for it to be something that we don't know about because we were not talking about it, for sure the guys aren't talking about it.

Adrianne

Yeah, that's not gonna be a topic they're gonna have at the bar.

Leanna

No, no, not even a little bit. Well, exactly when we all take it mounted in there and they all share their blood. That was the cutest moment. And yes, so we all went out. All of our husbands sat next to each other and compared, pulled up on their phones, their blood work, and compared their hormone levels with each other. But I think it's really important that we do. Like Jeff worked overnights, he was in law enforcement for you know those that might not know. And he during the day, he would fall asleep, no matter what. You set him down anywhere and he would fall asleep. It's hard. I mean, even like at a stoplight, if you stop too long, you're like, Night, where are you? Right. And he said his testosterone was so low, he's like, I haven't fallen asleep, he hasn't taken a nap. Yeah, and that's just not like him. He's very energetic, he's all over, you know, he's doing all kinds of things. For him to just be like, I can't, I can't do this.

Adrianne

Terry was like that with his joints, like his knees and everything. He's like, I don't know what's happening to me to go to the gym anymore. And then within three days of having, you know, his hormones back on track, he was like, Man, he's like, I he was back at the gym and feeling good. And but I think they just I think like with us, you can explain it. You know, like I will say, you know, my body ached, but now it doesn't. Yeah, but until you

Partners, Marriage, And Midlife Stress

Adrianne

truly feel it, yeah, I don't think you get it. But but I also think like we're all in honestly, like I was joking around, but you know, like my little estrogen patch and like my tramp stamp now. Isn't that we are talking about like what backs what did they call us attacks on the tramp stamp?

Leanna

Yeah, but uh estrogen patches of the new tramp, the new tramp stamp, just so you all know.

Adrianne

Um, make sure you got one.

Leanna

Oh flash the patch there. You're in the club.

Adrianne

But I feel like it's a fun time too for with your like our kids are grown. My hormones are on par, Terry's is on par. I'm not stressed, and I don't have all this anxiety that I was having. I don't know. I just feel like we're if this is a fun time, a fun era of marriage to be in, yeah, and just enjoy it. And they just need a little help to be there. Yeah, yeah. We all need the help.

Leanna

Yeah, we yeah, we just talked about help. We need help in every area of our life, right? Like, why not be the best version of ourselves and if a pill, a shot, a patch.

Kerri Ann

Yeah, well, and I think I think there's a lot more information. Like my poor husband sent me little memes and videos a lot of trying to understand what was going on. It was a very nice little way of saying, I think this is what you're feeling here. I'm looking into this. Because it's just it's tough on the other side when you want somebody to feel good and you're trying to feel good and going through that process. But it's just something, and I do agree with my mom. Like I do agree. I feel so awful that they had to go through what they went through and didn't have what we have at our disposal. Yeah, you know, and so she's she's right. We have a lot more at our disposal, but we have to be very particular about what we do and be informed. That's why I love like certain doctors that are just on top of things and don't push you and don't force too much too soon.

Leanna

Yeah, it's hard because we know that it's happening. Like, I I felt crazy. Like I knew that I was being irrational. Jeff would say something to me that was like, Hey, do you want to go get something to eat? And I'd be like, Are you kidding me right now? Like, what are you? And

Getting Men Tested And Supported

Leanna

in my head, I'm like, that is not rational. But my mouth was just talking, right? So like you knew it was happening. Yeah. So I think if we can honestly just have more conversations like this, and if you know something's wrong, advocate for yourself and find someone because it really should be.

Kerri Ann

Well, I'm getting, I mean, the studies have shown that if you address it properly with what we what tools are out there, that it does help you with aging as we get older.

SPEAKER_04

Yes.

Kerri Ann

It helps with bone density. There's so many things that are helpful for us because again, we've had babies, there's so much that's happened to our bodies that you know, not putting it off to the side, talking about it, and knowing that, okay, I'm not tired, I'm not this, I'm not that, why am I like this? Ask your doctor about it. Yeah. Because the sooner you can get in and get talking about it, the better it is with for anything.

Adrianne

And even asking your friends. Yeah. You know, like if you're not ready, I remember being at one of my friend's house and I was saying, we were talking about that, you know, I was taking progesterone, and I said, Okay, I'm still not sleeping. And she's like, I pop two of them. And I'm like, What do you mean you pop two of them? And she's like, Yeah, she's like, take two. The doctor just said, add that on. And I'm like, hmm. So I'm like, well, I'm not gonna just throw two on because you know, I don't know what that's gonna do. But the moment I went back to my doctor, I'm like, hey, my friend says she takes two of these to sleep. And you know, she was like, Well, hey, you're fine to take two. If you want to take two, it's okay. See if that works for you. And I'm like, wow. But she I wouldn't have known to ask the doctor to take two. Yeah. It was a, you know, a friend telling me, like, hey, take, do this instead. And that I sometimes think if you don't know what to ask your doctor, or it's some weird symptom, just ask one of your girlfriends has gone through it, or knows something, or knows someone who's

Patches, Joints, Sleep, And Relief

Adrianne

gone through it to help navigate you to ask the right questions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

Mid-40s would be early to mid-40s would be about the time that it starts. That you start talking about it.

Leanna

Or throw a question in our Yeah. Yeah. You can throw a question to us and maybe we'll answer it. The expert, the expert will answer it. Right. Carrie Ann's the expert. It's like, uh, is this really gonna happen? Wait, why is this happening? What is going on?

Kerri Ann

My number one thing is just keep tweezers in the cup holder of your car at all times.

Leanna

On that amazing note, I think we're gonna wrap up this podcast. That's our takeaway for this this episode is get a good pair of tweezers and keep them on you 24-7. Till next time, guys. Bye. Bye.

Voice Over

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