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Midlife Marriage Turns Out To Be The Fun Part

Leanna DeBellevue Season 1 Episode 28

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The weirdest part of midlife marriage is realizing it might be the best part. When the kids grow up and the calendar finally opens up, you don’t just get free time back, you get a relationship back, too. We talk honestly about what it feels like to date your spouse again, why empty nest life can be wildly fun, and how adult kids can still keep you “on call” even when they’re not living under your roof.

We also dig into the midlife surprises nobody warns you about: the confidence you didn’t have in your 20s, the financial stability that changes what’s possible, and the way you can feel like you’re re-meeting your partner after years of survival mode. From blended family “dog years” to the identity shift of realizing you checked boxes you weren’t sure you even chose, we share what changed in our marriages and what we’re still learning.

Then we get practical with marriage advice that actually holds up. We unpack marriage myths, talk about protecting your relationship by keeping serious conflict between the two of you (not your whole support system), and explain why “best friends” isn’t a cute phrase, it’s a strategy. We also qualify what “weather the storm” really means and why naming non-negotiables can guide decisions when life gets loud.

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Adrianne

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Why We Are Talking Marriage

Adrianne

right, welcome back to another episode. And on some of our other episodes, we talk about our husbands or marriage or dabble a little bit in it, but we thought we'd do a little deeper dive on this episode. And so this is going to be kind of like emptiness, married life, and whatever questions pop up. Awesome. All right. So the

Dating Again After Kids Grow Up

Adrianne

first question is dating your spouse again after the kids are grown.

Kerri Ann

You guys have to talk about that.

Leanna

Your children are grown.

Kerri Ann

I don't know if you're grown, but that doesn't mean anything. So you guys start and then I'll pop in with something that comes into my head.

Adrianne

Yes. And I also think like you had they were at the time. Okay, I didn't forgot about Carrie. So move along. Answer the question. I can answer. I we are having lots of fun dating. I feel like Terry and I were together 10 years before the boys, and we had lots of fun and travel and do things. And I feel like we're back to that era. So I enjoy dating and going out. And I don't even think we cook that often at home lately, that we're just out.

Voice Over

Yeah.

Adrianne

So that's my thought on dating my spouse.

Leanna

Jeff and I, when we got together, this feels really close. Jeff and I got together, we had all the kids at home. So we'd never known what it was like to not have kids. And at one time we had our five children plus Caden all under one roof, right? So we would try and sneak away for an hour or two, but we were always living in like the chaos of having kids. So now that there's nobody home, it's really nice. Like we didn't know each other in that way before. And now it makes it very hard when anyone wants to come visit or come hang out. We're like, no, thank you. We're good. It's a really fun place to be.

Adrianne

Oh you guys go on the motorcycle takeoff.

Kerri Ann

Well, when Brian and I got together, we every weekend that the boys were with their dad, we would take off. And so we just or we would go on a ride and then end up stopping at Walmart and buying underwear and toothbrushes because we decided to stay somewhere. But then when when we moved in, all of us together, and then life was life, we would try to do dates and do things like that. And we do, we do get away and all that. But I am learning the art of not worrying about my adult children. And that's a tough one for me, but I'm getting there and yeah, I'm getting there. I mean, I do I do see a difference with Brian and I when I'm not so concerned about the kids, and they also like it too. I know they do, the kids do, because they want to do their own thing. I mean, the other night we were sitting there having dinner. I did not expect Hayden to come walking in the house, and he came in the house, and I literally was like, Hi, are you here to eat dinner? And so I went out and I came back, and Brian's just looking at me and he's like, You're nuts. And I'm like, I know. I'm just navigating the the part where they're gonna go away, but they'll still be there. Yes. And so, yes, I do have to dig more into my husband because we do have fun together.

Adrianne

And I don't think, and maybe it's different for other people and their kids. I don't think our kids are going anywhere. No, I mean they text me every day. One calls me every day to check in. Um and literally, I feel like I'm the kid. I'll be like, I'm fine. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, like, well, what are you gonna do? I'm working today. Okay, I'm just checking in. Yep. Uh work at, or they'll be like, Where where are you at? And I'm like, dinner with dad. Like, where why are you following me? Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like our revolt our roles are reversing that they need to know where I'm at. So I feel like they're even though you don't see them in person, then our phones blow up all the time. Yes.

Kerri Ann

I get it.

Midlife Surprises And More Fun

Adrianne

Okay, what is a midlife marriage surprise nobody warned you about midlife, say it again? A midlife midlife marriage surprise nobody warned warned you about.

Leanna

I feel like it's all a surprise. I never know what's happening. We have the most random, crazy adventures. You know, I think I thought that midlife would be boring, right? Because you get into a routine and you have jobs and you have responsibilities, and it's not. It's like this might be the most fun that we're having.

unknown

Okay.

Leanna

Does that make sense? Absolutely. Yeah.

Kerri Ann

I know Brian's like loving, he's planning as much as he can, uh, just because this is the time. Yeah. And I've talked about the fact that you know, I do working with seniors, like all of them say you're you need to do all the things you want to do because at some point you're not, and you're not going to be able to do it the way you want. Doesn't mean you have to stop, but you have to pause enough to recognize that this is the time to do it. Yeah. And that is an important thing because I mean, we're midlife, but I mean, I'm more midlife than you guys are. But, you know, yeah, this is the this is the time to do it. I think a midlife surprise was that I did not think I would be married to a teenage er boy.

Leanna

In the way that Wait, you should probably clarify for people who don't know Brian. He's not really a teenager.

Kerri Ann

He's not really a teenager. He's like a full-grown. He's a full-grown wonderful man. But it's just easier for men during this time to address all the craziness that's going on with them. And they get it's very easy and they're good, and they're like, hello, and here we are. And it takes a little bit more for us midlife women to catch up with them. For sure. Yes. Which is good because I'm kind of hanging on for dear life, and he's pulling me along.

Adrianne

I feel like that too in midlife. I want to say I feel like we're having the time of our lives, and I don't know why, but growing up when I saw my family in their 40s and 50s, I just felt like they were old and weren't having fun. And I feel like we are having fun, and I don't want anyone to interfere with that fun. So I feel like that midlife to me is I feel like we have a good 20 years to have do whatever we want and have fun because then we don't know in health and you know, age and all that. And so I feel like midlife for me is different that I was expecting. I don't know, like I would be old and boring, right?

Leanna

But yeah, no, or like, you know, a midlife crisis where a husband comes home with a car, like, I don't know, or has an affair. Like I it just always seems so like every day was blah. Yeah. And this is the best, I probably the best time of my life, right? Because now in my 20s, when you have the energy, I had two little kids and I had no money, right? So I'm trying to figure out life and I don't know any of the answers to any. This period of life feels so much more like I'm more confident, we're more financially secure, we have more common sense, right?

Kerri Ann

Like we just do things so much differently, and it's Do you think you're getting to know your husbands differently now at this age? Because I feel like I feel like I'm re-meeting Brian in this age because so much you change so much. Yeah. There's a lot of life lessons, there's a lot of things that happen, there's a lot of the stuff that brings you closer that nobody's can teach you how to get through.

Leanna

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

And you kind of re are re-meeting each other in a different space.

Adrianne

I feel like Terry really hasn't changed much. I think it's me that has changed. Because I feel like, I mean, I met him when I was so young, I was 19, but I feel like then I was like career and all of these things, and he wanted to like have fun, and he was very laid back where I'm always, you know, high strung. And so I feel like, and then all of a sudden the kids came, and then your whole life is about the kids. Yeah. And in my brain, I just think everyone was always like, you know, you go to school and then you get a job, and then you get married, and then you have the kids. And I was like just following a path that I can't even say it was my own path. I was just doing what I was told to do. And so now I feel like once the kids turned 18, something in my brain switched, and I was like, What who am I? What do I and so Terry's having to learn a whole new person because I feel like I'm not the same person I was, and that now I'm getting to rediscover who I am and like what I want now that I've done what everyone else told me to do. No. So and I don't know if it's just that generation that I checked every box off because that's you what I do. And I'm like, okay, and then you know, you get to a box, I'm like, Did I want that box? Not sure about that box. Okay,

How Marriage Changes Over Time

Adrianne

so what do you feel has changed in your marriage after everyone's been at least 10 years, right? Four, eight, eight.

Leanna

But I say when you come in a blended family, it's like in dog years.

SPEAKER_00

It is.

Leanna

It is not normal, traditional. So then let's do it.

Adrianne

Like, what's changed over the years of your marriage now from from the beginning to now? I don't even know.

Leanna

I look back at pictures of Jeff and I, and it has only been eight years, but we look like babies. We had no idea what life was gonna throw at us. The highest of highs and the lowest of lows, like we've been through together, and it's just it is a new version of Jeff, and it's a new version version of me. He was in law enforcement, he's not anymore. You know, like every ounce of who we are has changed, and I don't know if I have expectations for what the future us looks like, right? I'm just trying to enjoy where we are now. Yeah. Cause yeah, we were babies. I did not have to cover the amount of craze that I currently have to cover.

Adrianne

Right. What about you? I mean, I feel like well, ours is over twenty I mean, Terry and I have been together we'll be married 27 years this year. And together 30 this year. So I feel like, and so when you say like babies, even when I see photos of this in like 2018, I'm like, gosh, we look so young and not stressed. And then I see now I'm like, what has happened to our life in these eight years? Yeah, you know, just life and kids and teens, and I'm like, they have aged us. And I feel like what's changed, I just think what's changed is all of our hard work and everything that we always talked about wanting. I feel it coming over the mountain, if that makes sense. Or like the sun rising. Like I feel like we've had all these years of things we've talked about and the hills and valleys we've been through. And I feel like I can see the sun peeking through where it's like, okay, that like we're almost there of just in general life.

Kerri Ann

Yeah.

Adrianne

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

I think that's what's I think our motto has been we're hanging on for dear life since the day that we met. Just I agree. When you have a blended family, and especially summer teenagers, and there's any stuff that comes along, it was I mean, we planned to make sure that, you know, we were growing as a family. I think we did a really good job of that. And, you know, the goals of really being able to show for the girls, you know, me and the essence of who I am and why I deserve to be, you know, the mom, wife of this family, and Brian with my boys in the same respect. I mean, we just are very raw and real people. So it's been a lot. It's been a lot. And I think that's one of the things with Brian is that he's like, you realize that we have what we have accomplished and gotten through, like now it doesn't have to be that hard. And he's really good at that. And I am just needing to kind of lean into that we've gotten through the hard stuff.

Leanna

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

Now we get to sit back and and and really watch and just enjoy. And I'm a little slower to go on that. But I do think when you have a blended family and there's any other things that most blended families have, yeah, it does feel like dog years a lot. It feels like it's a lot more years than it was. But when I look at where we are now, I'm thankful that we dug in together to do all the things, the hard things that we needed to do to really be a family.

Leanna

Yeah. And not, I mean, dog years isn't necessarily a bad thing, right? It's just, I mean, it's one thing to create a family with someone and to raise that family. It's another thing then to separate that family and then take all of these random people and put them together and then try and convince each other to love one another as a new family. Yes, right. And by God's grace, our children blended really well from day one. They were all very accepting, very open, but it it threw stuff at you. Like, and I'm sure you could say the same thing with fosters, right? Like when you put people together and you're trying to create something, right? It we did we were so naive. I think that's what I I look at those pictures and they were, it wasn't long ago, but we were so naive as to what it was gonna look like.

Kerri Ann

Sometimes in a blinded family, you feel like you've done a lifetime in a shorter time. Yeah. Especially if there's been anything that's come from the past that you're trying to really work through and fix or kind of not have be a part. You feel like you are fitting a lifetime together in a shorter period of time.

Adrianne

Amen. Yeah.

Marriage Myths We Bought Into

Adrianne

What? Okay, what's a marriage myth you were sold on? Um do you have one? I need a thing.

Kerri Ann

I was trying to think of a myth that I would Well, I mean, I know, like when you get married, you just do all the right things and it just moves along. Like you see on T like you get married, you have kids, you work, you get retirement, then you travel, then you do this, then you die. There's and it just goes like that. But in real life, you are taking so many left turns, right turns, like bumps, ups and downs. And you know, I do think that I saw a lot of what my parents went through, but I also didn't. So they kind of made it look a lot easier than I thought it was, you know. I thought, well, if this is the way my dad acts to my mom, then that's the way I should expect it to be from you. Yeah. And why are you acting differently than that?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

You know, like I I do think that we just take what we've seen in the past, good or bad, and we bring it in and just assume that's the way it's gonna be, and you get through it and you do all these things. But it is different.

Leanna

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

The trajectory is different, how you do things is different. People retire early or retire, like there's just life looks different.

Leanna

I don't know if that's a myth, but I wouldn't say, I feel like mine, I can't think of a myth, but the stereotype of your husband being like a third child or another child, I've heard so many people are like, and Jeff is nothing like like he's a genuine partner, right? I don't, I don't think I could handle if it was an if I had another kid that's a grown adult that I'm supposed to make to allow like to share my life with, and I still have to pick up your pants from the floor. You know what I mean? Like I think that's a I guess because I grew up, I was raised by my grandma, so I didn't see a traditional marriage, right? And she did not have a good marriage, so everything I was told was, you know, uh much different than the reality of what marriage truly was, and uh even having a bad marriage before, right? Just kind of understanding that everyone's journey is our own and to not have expectations on somebody kind of I guess like what you were saying, like your husband wasn't your dad, right? Obviously. And just kind of accepting people for who they are, but also not exp not allowing them to be the worst versions of themselves, right? Yeah, like holding them to a higher standard.

Adrianne

I think on a myth for me was uh what however your husband is, you just that's it, that is how it is. You know, like you're just settling. And I feel like it's weird because I grew up where my parents fought all the time until they got divorced. But they decided to get divorced when we became adults. So we lived through their kind of chaotic marriage. But then the rest of the family, all my aunts and uncles, have been married 50, 60, 70 years. And I would always remember my mom, you know, just being like, you know, well, I wouldn't I, you know, I wouldn't have anyone talk to me that way. But although I was raised in a slightly chaotic family, and I'm like, okay. And so I feel like in my mind, I was like, well, I don't want to settle, nor am I, do I want, I'm not gonna argue all the time. So I feel like when I met Terry, we owned a house, lived together. I still had marriage not on my mind. Like I was like, I don't want to get married. Like I've seen that, I don't want that, and I don't want to settle in that, hearing the negative of, you know, of those things. And so I feel like it took a while. And then finally, when Terry was like, well, we should get married. And that was like, okay. I mean, we do we have lived together and we own a house, and we seem fine. But I think like my brain, I have a hard time because of the two being raised in two types of worlds that I just to me, I was like, I'm not gonna, I don't want to settle. And then, you know, obviously I didn't settle because I'm strong-willed and so is Terry. So we like to keep that roller coaster going. Um, but I feel like that's the myth of like it is what it is. Yeah. And and old school it was that you put up with stuff, and yeah, it was just I did not want to live the same marriage that I grew up in. Okay.

Advice We Ignored For Years

Adrianne

So um what what's the best marriage advice that you've received but you did not listen to for a long time? That someone told you but you just didn't listen to.

Leanna

I think for me, don't ever speak ill of your spouse to anyone other than your spouse. When I first my in my first marriage, if anything was wrong, I would run to my grandma, I would run to my aunt, I'd run to my best friends, and then I would get over being mad, and they weren't over being mad, and I was like, how can you not like him? Or how can you not like and that was something that Jeff and I agreed upon when we first got together is if you have a problem, you say it to me. You know, now obviously, I mean, you know, if it's lighthearted and you know, we tease each other and we joke about stuff and and things like that. But if there's a serious problem, it's now a communication between me and him, and he does the same for me. And I wish I'd listened to that earlier because I know that and it went both ways. He would call his mom and you know, whatever, whatever. And it really put division in our support system, right? The people who are supposed to, you know, kind of encourage your marriage and help you grow and kind of help feed it, were like, no, you should leave. No, this isn't good. You know, everything will remember when he did this before, remember that, and that was a hard lesson, and I can see where I was very wrong in doing that before. But I was also, you know, 19 when I got married. So I'm gonna give myself a little bit of grace.

Kerri Ann

Yeah.

Leanna

But I wish I had learned that earlier.

Kerri Ann

I don't know. I think one of the things that I just saw with my mom and dad and took I tried to take in to my marriage previous, but it wasn't there. And I think Brian and I are learning that and being that. We were that for the longest time, and we always have been, but just stressors is you should marry your best friend because if you marry a lover or someone you're in love with and there is not that friendship there, then you can hurt them. Like with us, if you guys are mad at me, I'm gonna do everything in my power to make it right. I don't care what you have to say to me or what I have to do. And that at for Brian, that was the base of us when we started, like talking and being real and being best friends and knowing where he came from and where I came from. And that friendship evolves. Through time. And I think that's, you know, sometimes life can make you forget that. Then you have to stay in the space of reminding each other, like, you're my best friend. I'm your best. Like, we've got to really stay true to that by being open and talking and supporting and protecting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

And that is something that I think is just the most important thing. That's what I lean back on. Being each other's biggest fans. Yeah. And all the other things that need to be said the hard, the good, the bad, whatever that is. But at the end of the day, nobody's just gonna purposefully hurt each other. Yeah. Or purposefully just dishonor each other. Like we've said. Like I I don't know what he's doing during the day. He I mean, we we can see each other. We know we're working and do it, but I have such peace and grace that I I don't have to. Yeah. He's never gonna do anything to look in my eyes and and destroy me that way, and I won't do that back. Now will we piss each other off? Yes.

Adrianne

Well, it's marriage. Yeah. Yes. I feel like that's part of the agreement. Yes. You gotta remind him why you're best friends. Yes. Yeah. I feel like in that for me on the I'm trying to figure out of what I would say in that. I feel like for Terry and I, because of how I grew up, I was raised by a very independent female with not a very reliable spouse. So I grew up very independent and you take care of yourself and and it's all about you. And I feel like it probably took us 20 years of our marriage for me to release, where I was like, okay, I can trust you and I can let you. Not that he didn't lead, but you know, I was like the giant crashing wave, like he's trying to lead, and then I'm like, bam. And then he's like, you know, because I just was so like, no, I have to protect myself. Um, so it took me a really long time to let those walls down. And now I'm like, man, why didn't I do this a long time ago? Because things pop up and I'm like, I don't know, ask your dad, or I'll be like, I don't know, you make that decision. I'm like, I don't want to make any more decisions. I'm done. And Terry's like, what? What is happening here? And I'm like, I just, I just don't care anymore. I don't want to, I don't want to be responsible anymore.

Kerri Ann

I realized I don't want to eat dinner anymore. I used to love to cook, and now I'm like, you can have that.

Adrianne

Just give it all. I'm just gonna sit here and be a princess. Yes. Um, so I feel like it took me, though, a long time. And that was an internal battle, nothing to do with Terry.

Leanna

Yeah.

Adrianne

But I feel like our marriage is so much better now that I finally have released. I won't say all the control because he'll be like, How old do you think you've released all the control? But I have really improved. You would definitely comment on the podcast on that. Yeah, I know. But I have worked really hard to tone that down. So that would be that would be my thought on that one. Um, okay, let's see.

Best Friend Marriage And Weathering Storms

Adrianne

We're gonna wrap this one up. What is your best marriage advice to people right now?

Leanna

I don't know. I I think we kind of touched it on it. Jeff is my very best friend, he is my biggest fan, and I am his. Like that's our non-negotiables. Yeah. We had a very honest, maybe that's it. Have a conversation about what your non-negotiables are and and stick to that because uh we uh it it helps drive every decision. You know, will doing this equal something on this list or on this list? If it's on this list, then we go forward, if it's on this list, we go for but no, it took me a long time to find him and he is a hundred percent my my best friend, and I can't imagine doing life with uh with anybody else. So if I I can't I can imagine because I've lived it and it just wasn't.

Kerri Ann

Yeah.

Leanna

Every once in a while you get a fairy tale, and I think I got a fairy tale with this one. So I don't know. What do you guys think?

Adrianne

I think I will agree both. I think it makes a difference if they are your best friends. I mean, obviously, I've Terry raised me. I tell Matt when he complains about that. I'm like, you know, you raised me. Um, it's your fault. But I feel like he is my best friend and he is my person. But I think the other part I would tell people, especially at our age, because there's a lot of divorce at our that happens at our age. And I feel like when you weather the storms, you know, like Terry and I, businesses up, down failed, you know, successful in infertility. I mean, the kids, like all of the things that we went through, every one of those, we could have gotten divorced. We could have been like, you know what, we're done. And I feel like when you're fret, you're still such best friends and you weather all of that and you get through all of that, and now your kids are grown, like you have a different bond with each other because you made it through such tough times that you didn't think you would. And sometimes you may have had those conversations like, we're done, we're tapping out, we're both gonna start over and see what happens. You know, but I think that that's the that would be my advice for people is that when you're in the storms, like stay in the storm because when you get through all of those storms, like we are having the time of our life now. Like life is calmer than it's ever been. We're more stable and established, but we're also bonded closer through making it. And and I can't imagine it as not being together. And now we get to appreciate that more because we went through all of that. So that would be my advice is like weather the storm. I think we have to like qualify though. Yeah. I mean, like, not if there was like abuse. Abuse or anything like that. Obviously not. But yeah, no. If it yeah, I would be locked up if someone put a hand on me. You all would be bailing me out. Or we they'd be like, I'd be like, grab the shovels, meet me at dawn. We write it down. Yeah. Yeah. So qualifying storms. Yes. But sometimes I think a lot of divorce happens during our with your kids. You know, like those love our kids, but kids cause a lot of stress. And I feel like a lot of divorces end up because the kids do that wet. And our kids were great about almost like putting a wedge between Terry and I. And then we would be arguing because the kids took the focus off of themselves, and all of a sudden we were battling. Oh, yeah. And then at the end, you're like, Yeah, then you're like, How did that just happen? So I feel like that type of those type of relationships. Yeah.

Leanna

We used to tease that our kids had like a calendar of who was gonna piss us off. Like the, you know, one will be like, I got this week, or someone else be like, Okay, I had last, I had yesterday, you take today. Because every day we are like, What is coming at us? But yes, those storms, absolutely. What do you got? What's your advice?

Kerri Ann

I agree with you guys. Like it's a combination of all that. You know, I, of course, I'm the emotional weepy one of us. When my dad passed, it was so devastating on all of our hearts. But it wasn't as till time went by. And I just look at my mom, and she is literally one of the strongest humans I know. And the reason why I say this with marriage and all that is that my dad was her person. And she has honored him by living the most wonderful life that she can without him being here. And I look at Brian, and as much as we've been through, oh my lord, the much as we've been through together. I look at him and I'm like, I get it now. Yeah, I get it now, even though there are times where you have that, that's it, I'm done, and you're not. I can't imagine doing this life without him.

Leanna

Yeah.

Kerri Ann

I can't. Through all the stuff we've been through because of the history, because of the tough stuff, because of him getting through and growing up and doing those, and me doing the same, and us just and our family, and just all of it, the whole mess together. I just can't think of wanting to do my life with anyone but him. He has my back. I don't worry about him going off with another woman. I don't like just all those things that that I finally look at him and I'm like, I get Franny and Paul now. I get that love. And I can't even imagine not like I just look at my mom and just be like, God, you know, I wish she would have had more, more time. So being best friends, honoring each other, getting through the tough stuff, like that puts an imprint on life that is that's what this is all about. Yeah. That's what this is all about. So yeah, marry your best friend because there's gonna be so much shit going on around each other. And you gotta get through it. And that's when you sit on the beach or up in the mountains or wherever you're going. Anyway, that's when you sit on the beach with each other and you look at each other and you get to just not say anything. You know, say everything. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a lifetime that just feels so good. Beautiful.

Adrianne

That's the best way to end it. So

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Adrianne

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